Real Christians ?

HCL41 · 07-14-2007, 06:05 PM

I have recently read a reference to "Ecclesiastes 3:3" which purportedly read as follows " God will ok it if we want to kill freemasonry and anyone involved in
the occult. " which actually read " a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, " . heres another good passage
John 4:20 If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

D. W. Brown · 07-16-2007, 10:31 AM

I see you've been reading some of the anti-masonry sites.

Thanks for the info

DrBar · 10-24-2007, 12:55 PM

HCL41

"Ecclesiastes 3:3" which purportedly read as follows " God will ok it if we want to kill freemasonry and anyone involved in
the occult. " which actually read " a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, " . heres another good passage

Where did you find the above scripture. In 1000 - 500 BC there were no free masonry nor did the word occult exist in any language.

Ecc: 3:3. A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

In Sacred decoding the passage addresses the evolution of the human spirit. Material memory (time to kill) within the Spirit is Transfigured into the Divine State (build up) as well as remove all negative memory (heal) that cannot be Transfigured for an eventual Spirit of Pure Light, a Man or Woman of God (Messiah).

John 4:20 If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

You have the wrong scriptue: But to answer your wordage: “I love God” is a blanket statement from the faith soul-mind experience. For man to Acquire True DivineLove within your Spirit, there is a need for a Personal Living Awareness in the Kingdom or Divine Realm of which no religious organization at this time will allow as they are followers of the Catholic Inquition--total separation of man from a Living Awareness with the Family of God.

The rest of your statement is altered by the inquisitioners to give support to the inversion of DivineTruth.

In reality John 4:20 states: “Our fathers worshipped in this mountain (Divine Visualization into the Kingdom of God for an Objective Awareness with God the Father and Mother); and ye say, that in Jerusalem (material faith dogma) is the place where men ought to worship (the mortal soul-mind without DivineLife).”

There is nothing you can say or read in the outer scripture that adds to your Spiritual Evolution toward becoming a Son or Daughter of God. You must know the Sacred Code, that when defined, reveals your true purpose of life, the Divination of your Spirit through a Living Awareness with the Family of God. In Their Living Awarenes your Spirit’s material memory can be Transfigured into Their DivineNature.

jbarr · 10-24-2007, 03:05 PM

FYI, that should be "1 John 4:20", not "John 4:20" (www.biblegateway.com can be your friend!)

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You know, I find it so amazing how much anti-masonic stuff there is out there, and how much of it is held up out of so much ignorance and misinformation. I am a Fellow Craft Mason who will be raised to Master Mason by the end of the year. I am also a Bible-believing Christian, and up to this point, I have found absolutely nothing in Freemasonry that goes contrary to my Christian beliefs. Yes, I may alter that stance later, but as of now, I have to stand firm on this.

I really hate to oversimplify Freemasonry, but to me, it's kinda like the Boy Scouts, only for men. Obviously, Freemasonry goes deeper than that, but really, I have yet to see anything that would lead me to believe that Freemasonry is some devilish, religious cult or subversive, conspiring organization.
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HCL41 · 10-24-2007, 08:50 PM

I was mearly pointing out the hypocracy of an anti masonic rant which was posted advocatiing the killing of all masons as sanctioned by god as per the quote " Ecclesiastes 3:3 " Whereas I added a more appropriate quote "1 John 4:20" which should be observed so that we may live in peace and harmony with each other. I was anti masonic when I begin my journey of learning but as I scratched through the venier of B.S. I found that there is light emanating from masonry.

DrBar · 10-24-2007, 10:27 PM

Good to hear. Negative perception is usually proclaimed by those who are themselves without truth and feel weak in their own self-reality.

DivineTruth can be Attained by entering into a Visual Awareness and being guided into the DivineRealm or Kingdom of God. There, one can attain a Living Objective Awareness with the Christ Son as well as enter into the Temple of Solomon to Study Knowledge and Truth from DivineTeachers. From this DivineReality, there is found unlimited Knowledge in all Philosophies.

I do not know if Masonry is practicing pre 1900 DivineReality or not. I have surfaced the original DivineLife after about 30 years of research. I lectured in Scotland on the subject and translated 1800 symbols found on Swords, etc. Jewels and symbols were Sacred and Addressed the person's Spirit's Divine Status in that life. While in this life they are in the completion process, where their Spirit's can become Pure Light--a Man of God Status.

David Herman · 10-30-2007, 04:56 PM

The problem with arguing with most anti-masons is that, by and large, they don't have ideas about Masonry - they have feelings about it.

For some reason, they "feel" that Masonry is evil, and talking to their heads won't change the hatred in their hearts.

DrBar · 10-31-2007, 12:32 AM

"don't have ideas about Masonry - they have feelings about it. "

The conscious mind is filled with only what it learns in the current life and driven intrinsically by the emotional drive from the Spirit's psycho-profile or Core-Self program.

Secret organizations stimulate anger in a person who is without self-esteem,
a past life inquisitioner and a civilization profile of an order of spirits who are here to see to it that all Living Contact with the Family of God and the DivineLife Program be destroyed.

Which means that the consciousness, evolved in each new life of the Spirit, never finds the means to reenter into the DivineLife Program that provides the means to continue their material memory Transfiguration into the Nature of the Family of God.

Also, provide the Spiritual-Soul the means to study in DivineTemples to become Idealist and assist in forming a better world.

The Masons and Eastern Stars were once the Sons and Daughters of God enrolled and Advancing their DivineState of Being through participating in the DivineLife Program, which was hidden or secret only because of the Catholic persecution.

But, now the World is in direr need of DivineTruth and a Living Contact with the Family of God.

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“For some reason, they "feel" that Masonry is evil, and talking to their heads won't change the hatred in their hearts.”

I know, but try to educate at the same time for a possible infusion of reason.

The negative force spirits within persons have designed destinies to place themselves in society in order to interfere with human Living Divination. It is easy for them to interfere, as all religious movements, orders, and the general public have no access to DivineLife Awareness.

A material ritual can never take the place of a Living Awareness in the DivineRealm, although the material ritual is a copy of the DivineRealm Scenario. But, in a Living Awareness with the Members of the Family of God, the Spirit can be Transfigured into Their Nature.

I am interested in conversing with you for the possibility of introducing the original DivineLife Program to members of the Masonic Orders.

David Herman · 11-03-2007, 11:51 AM

I don't really understand the details of what you are saying, but we seem to be in agreement.

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Originally Posted by DrBar

I am interested in conversing with you for the possibility of introducing the original DivineLife Program to members of the Masonic Orders.

Masonic orders (almost all of them) are non-denominational, and I don't think this would be the proper venue for any such program; however, if you have a presentation you would like to share, perhaps we can host it for you here.

There is an essay section at http://www.thebluelodge.org/essays_on_freemasonry-210 with a link to submit one of your own.

DrBar · 11-03-2007, 12:23 PM

This has nothing to do with material mind, out of the inquisition, religious reductionist. It does not matter or never has been, what material mind religion one belongs to.

This addresses the Spirit within you, as your mind-consciousness is the jailer of your Spirit's advancement. Its knowledge, intellect, and means to reason for the Spirit is material only. The Catholic Church knew that and why 800 years of death to anyone who allowed a Living Awareness with the Family of God. It was designed to remove from the Spirit's new life symbiosis, the awareness of its plight to complete its Divinity--the exchange of material memory for the Natures of the Family of God--to graduate from a Son or Daughter of God to that of a Man or woman of God.

You and others have experienced 10 lives of persecution for a Living Awareness with the Family of God that upbuilded within a fear of becoming an Extended Member of the Family of God.

Why are you afraid of Being in an Objective, Living, Visual, and Telepathic Awareness with the Family of God. No one is sent off to hell, but the opposite, incredible increase in intelligence, healing the Spirit of psychosomatic illness, enter into Temples for Understanding and Knowledge, and above all, filling your heart with incredible love.

The True Masonic Orders have lost their true purpose--Access to the DivineRealm and the Family of God as DivineIntelligent Idealist to help the World.

I can submit an Essay, but I am a promise to the Sons and Daughters of God at this time to over ride the Inquisition. There are Sons and Daughters of God who desire to become Men and Women of God, but cannot advance without the Living Contact.

I have worked with Generals, laymen, street kids, Scientist, Teachers, and Medical personal. All Sons and Daughters of God. There are now 5 who received their Robes of Glory and are Men and Women of God. There are hundreds more, if not thousands. Including yourself.

Have you flown in your dreams as a child? Do you have Daja vu? And, on your way to sleep in that twilight zone, witnessed a Brilliant Light or Colors? All signs of a Son or Daughter of God's Spirit trying to speak out and say, I am here, help me to Attain the Nature of God.