grandsecretary

Well now we know. All wind and no sails.

grandsecretary

I have just received another private message from this person calling himself Dean which simply amounts to another diatribe of incoherent insults.

Let us be very clear. This person, Dean, whoever or whatever it is, has been given ample opportunity to defend the actions being taken against Brother Martin, in a calm and brotherly manner, and he has chosen not to.

I hope that the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Kentucky is pleased with his efforts. Shameful, unforgivable behaviour.

dean@owencpa.com

why defend a decision among heathens.... this group has no respect for the GM of KY, which indicates they have no respect for any other member of the craft.... and believe me, if you will show no respect, you will get none from me.... earn it, or go without....

This bunch does not wish to become educated on the subject matter at hand, and only wishes to get on its high pedestal and see who can yell the loudest in a weak attempt to get attention.....

Answer this question HONESTLY to your self, not in public, but in your heart.... do you know enough about this situation to make public comment? Have you listened to both sides? Do you even give a ****? Or is this just another attempt to stick your chest out and point a finger at "those guys over there" and tell everyone how racist they are, and how anti-racist you are? Again, answer that question to yourself, I care not for your answer....

Out of respect for both parties I am not going to comment in a public form to the charges. Two brothers I care about are in direct disagreement, and it makes me sad.... to see this bunch of using that fact for self serving "here, here, listen to me" gain angers me to no end... but maybe I expect to much... not all men who call themselves Masons live to the same standards...

I know enough about the details not to comment on the specifics.... which is a LOT more than most here....

So as I stated before, get educated, or shut up, or realize those who take Masonry serious look upon you with significant distain.... your choice, this is America, you always get a choice, but you can only choose among those three options....

With friends like you guys Charles does not enemies..... and you call yourselves Masons, disgraceful, truly disgraceful.... you are not trying to help him, you are wanting a war, and to be the trumpet player who sits on the hill as you send men to slaughter for your own entertainment....

I have made it clear, if you want to comment, get educated, and if you want to be treated like a Mason, act like on....

dean@owencpa.com

My comments to you were to act like a Grand Secretary if that is what you claim to be.... and if you are an imposter, I am calling you out.... you deserve not to be treated with respect if you are unable to give it......

Stealth

You are still dodging the questions........

dean@owencpa.com

No I am not side stepping the answer, you are not getting the answer you like, so you refuse to accept any other....

There are lodges with websites who list PH members are "famous Masons"... I see this as a step forward, you do not... so be it, end of story.. not much more to discuss... since I see it as a step forward I see no reason to mention it further....

In this regard your desire is to be confrontational, create disharmony, and chaos, mine is to quietly move things forward in a positive way.... we differ in our objectives, I am first a Mason, you are first a race baiter..... we see the world differently... it appears this is but one of the many differences in MS and PHA masons...

If you see it is a problem, act upon that, if not, keep doing what you are doing (which means nothing), the world will know the difference.......

Bro. Bluegrass

Brothers,

As a Freemason from Kentucky, I can tell you that this situation brings me no small amount of distress. While it seems that the Brother in question violated his oath while in Iraq, I think that the larger issue, the recognition of Prince Hall Masons, is still very much in question.

I'll not go into a history lesson about the matter, as it has been hashed, rehashed, and even triple-hashed in the various nooks and crannies across the internet. Suffice it to say that those states that flew the Confederate Battle Flag during that minor skirmish a few years back are the now the most hesitant, if not hostile, to recognizing Prince Hall Masons (this applies to my border state). This fact, as shameful as it is, is not in dispute.

The question, however, does not lie with the fate of one Brother and the violation of his oath. It is the younger Masons of these Grand Lodges that will determine the future of our beloved Craft. A generational shift is occuring in Freemasonry, and that shift will most likely lead to significant changes in how our Craft is practiced. It will also, by extension I believe, necessitate a re-evaluation of the stance of those Grand Lodges and their stance toward Prince Hall Masons.

While I make no excuses for the stance of the current day, I do feel a great deal of optimism looking forward to the future. The younger Freemasons will change things - of this I am sure. It is only a matter of time. So I (note, not we) ask for the Brethren's indulgence as we work our way out of this situation. The changes that have been mentioned in this and other forums will happen, in some form or another, in the not too distant future.

grandsecretary

Thank you Brother Bluegrass.

Dean, please actually read my postings before you go off on one.

I have not referred to a race issue at all, and I am not unhappy because I am not getting the answer that I like.

The fact is that I have asked you, politely, to take this opportunity to explain why you believe that Charles Martin is in the wrong here.

Privately you have said that brother Martin is responsible "for a laundry list" of Masonic offenses and we are only aware of 5% of what has actually been gong on.

What we have been told about is two issues:

1) The refusal of the Grand Lodge of New York to allow the use of a travelling military warrant, without explanation; and

2) The strange inconsistency between two sister Grand Lodges concerning "recognition" of a particular Lodge.

This is an opportunity for you to set us aright by explaining as you see fit. You are free to speak here, as we all are. No constraints other than the usual masonic ones of kindness, courtesy, and exemplary good manners on what I remind you again is an open public forum.

Give it a try, we are listening to you I can assure you Brother.

Bro. Bluegrass

Also, and let me be explicit, there are Brothers within the lodges that are very concerened about the current stance vis a vis Prince Hall. Quietly, behind the scenes, there are those of us younger Masons that have begun to let our thoughts on this matter be known.

Also, to point out the obvious, our Constitution makes no provisions regarding a man's race when considering him for the degrees. This simple point does allow for a man of any race to apply for the degrees. I also think, if memory serves, that this one point has been made very clear to the WMs throughout this Commonwealth. With that in mind, please understand that the changes have already begun, quietly and behind the scenes.

grandsecretary

At last someone from close to the problem is talking some sense here.

Brother Bluegrass. May we ask you this? In your opinion, and from what you know, can this be resolved without the expulsion of Brother Martin? I do hope so for everybody's sake.