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07-22-2006, 10:07 AM
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D. W. Brown is Online Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 652 Rep Power: 10 | EA Lesson Two weeks ago at one of my lodges regular meetings there was a brother turning in his EA lesson so he could advance to his FC degree.
When he got up and started his lesson, I knew he was in trouble right away. His examiner had to prompt him every 3 or 4 words, I kid you not, every 3 or 4 words he would have to be prompted. Then he still would get some wrong and the examiner would just keep going. It was the worst lesson I have EVER seen.
Please don't misunderstand here I'm serious when I saw every 3 to 4 words he was prompted and would STILL get it wrong. Lets just be clear there....
Well it was time to vote to accept or reject his lesson and out of about 15 to 20 masons present, I was the ONLY one that said NO.
After we walked out of the lodge room a couple started bitching at me for voting No. One said "He has dislexia" I explained to that brother that is a reading issue not a memorization issue. Then another said "I've seen much worse" and I explained grading was not based on the Bell Curve system.
One brother told me he was proud of me for answering No and he said nothing like that would have happened at his lodge. Time to find a new lodge I guess. | |
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07-23-2006, 10:37 AM
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Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 271 Rep:  Rep Power: 3 | It's a complicated issue, but in the end, your vote is your vote, and you should let your conscience be your guide.
I have seen men who made great masons, who show up at almost every meeting, who are among the friendliest and helpful in the lodge, who were just bad at rote memorization; I have also seen men who stood their 3rd degree proficiency (about 30 mins for us) the very next meeting, with barely an error, who have not returned to lodge or replied to contact attempts for years.
The guide that we usually use is the coach; first, he should not propose the candidate for proficiency ballot unless:
1) The candidate is proficient (need not be perfect); or
2) The candidate, despite months of work, is as proficient as he will ever get.
Even then, it is up to the individual votes of the brethren present. In Georgia, it is unmasonic to reveal how you intend to vote or how you voted, or to ask another brother how he intends to vote or how he voted. | |
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08-07-2006, 02:18 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 10 Rep:  Rep Power: 0 | Quote: | Originally Posted by David Herman In Georgia, it is unmasonic to reveal how you intend to vote or how you voted, or to ask another brother how he intends to vote or how he voted. | There are two kinds of voting in Oregon: Secret voting is done with the ballot box or during elections, and your statement would hold true; open voting is done with the voting sign for motions and similar business matters. I have not witnessed a questionable proficiency yet, and we have never voted on one. I'm sure the procedure is documented in our Constitutions or By-Laws, but they're just out of reach (by about 25 miles) to confirm. | |
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08-07-2006, 11:59 PM
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D. W. Brown is Online Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 652 Rep Power: 10 | Quote: | Originally Posted by LarryW There are two kinds of voting in Oregon: Secret voting is done with the ballot box or during elections, and your statement would hold true; open voting is done with the voting sign for motions and similar business matters. I have not witnessed a questionable proficiency yet, and we have never voted on one. I'm sure the procedure is documented in our Constitutions or By-Laws, but they're just out of reach (by about 25 miles) to confirm. |
I am new, so if I mis-stepped and made a mistake by revealing the way I voted I apologize and will remember that from now on. I assumed since the vote was done in the open ( in lodge) and not by secret ballot, I could talk about it.
Please don't get me wrong, I feel for the brother who had trouble with his lesson and do not mean to sound like I am putting him down. Please enlighten me to the proper rules of acceptance of a lesson and the "traditional" criteria for being accepted as a freemason and passed to Master Mason.? | |
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08-08-2006, 10:37 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 40 Rep:  Rep Power: 0 | Voting about entrance into the organization via ballot box is sacred and private. Voting on proficiency is open and all know who votes yhay and nay.. you did fine brother | |
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08-08-2006, 02:10 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 10 Rep:  Rep Power: 0 | Quote: | Originally Posted by D. W. Brown Please don't get me wrong, I feel for the brother who had trouble with his lesson and do not mean to sound like I am putting him down. Please enlighten me to the proper rules of acceptance of a lesson and the "traditional" criteria for being accepted as a freemason and passed to Master Mason.? | I think we all feel for those who have more trouble than we did in proving up. But we must also remember that when we make changes of our own accord, those changes will be passed down to future Masons. If like changes are made from one class to the next, the true ritual is as lost as the word.
Another consideration is that many, if not most, Grand Lodges have taken advantage of technology and maintain the ritual in paper or electronic form for the sole purpose of ensuring it is not lost. So, the aspiring candidate who, for whatever reason, cannot give a good proficiency, might still become a better man and Mason. And if he understands the lesson, we can help him perfect his ashlar.
As to your vote, there is only one person to whom you must answer. If you voted with your heart, then you voted correctly. Anyone who challenged your vote should spend some time adjusting their compasses and think about the EA lesson. | |
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08-09-2006, 12:07 AM
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Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 271 Rep:  Rep Power: 3 | I can't speak for other jurisdictions, obviously. In Georgia, "petitions for initiation, advancement, affiliation and dimit require unanimous secret ballot"; only the Master's proficiency may be voted openly, and lodge bylaws or Master's decree may require that to be secret ballot as well. Naturally, your open vote is observable by all present.
Excerpts from the 2005 Georgia Masonic Code (latest soft copy I have): 41-112. Secrecy. —It is exceedingly improper and un-Masonic for any brother to make any remark, reflecting upon the ballot of any other brother or the motives influencing him. The ballot is and should remain secret. No brother has the right to inquire who cast a negative ballot or why. No one has the right to say how he voted, or why, and a by-law contravening this is void... 41-116. Vote Required.—Petitions for initiation, advancement, affiliation and dimit require unanimous secret ballot...
As far as what criteria are generally used to determine proficiency... we have none. Each brother present must decide for himself if he feels the candidate should advance or not. | |
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08-09-2006, 02:12 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 10 Rep:  Rep Power: 0 | Quote: | Originally Posted by David Herman No one has the right to say how he voted, or why | That's interesting. Quote: |
Petitions for ... advancement
| I don't think I've heard this term. I don't think Oregon has such a petition; the petition a candidate submits is for the degrees, which is to mean the three degrees.
(I really have to pull out my Constitution & By-Laws now.) | |
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08-10-2006, 09:14 AM
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Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 271 Rep:  Rep Power: 3 | Ha. Things are different all over, I guess.
Here, one petitions for the degrees (initiation). Ballot on petition for degrees based on character.
If granted, there's EA conferral, coaching, then reciting the EA catechism. He then petitions for advancement (no new form, just the Secretary asking if he wishes to advance). Ballot for advancement based on proficiency and character.
Repeat on FC.
After the MM, the brother must be voted (not balloted) upon for proficiency only - he is already a MM.
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08-10-2006, 04:47 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Southington, CT - USA Posts: 22 Rep:  Rep Power: 0 | We dont' vote on a candidate's "proficiency", as we call it; this is left up the the WM and his representative (usually the SW) who has checked out the candidate. In fact, I've only seen one proficiency in an open lodge and it surprised me. I think it's a great idea, and it gives the candidate more incentive to study.
We often check them out on the eve of - or sometimes just bere - their next degree. Normally this is not an issue in our lodge - in fact, at our last degree the SW drove the candidate down to the lodge we were visiting and checked him out in the car. http://masonictao.blogspot.com/2006/...ry-degree.html
Last year, though, we did have an issue when a candidate had not contacted the lodge at all until the night of his MM degree - a Past Master's Degree, and the acting SW went to the prep room to check them out (we had 3) and found one young man completely clueless. He came back into lodge to report, much to the embarassment of the young man's grandfather, who came down to take a part in the degree. After some discussion, we decided to allow him to participate, but with instructions to his sponsors that he needed to make the MM proficiency before he could recieve his dues card.
I'd like to say that this had a happy ending and he's now the best ritualist and most active member. I'd like to say that, but unfortunately he became a bit huffy about being checked out and even more so when the SW explained to him the decision. AFAIK, he hasn't been back to pick up his dues card.
This is obviously a major breakdown in communication between the candidate and his sponsors. A sponsor thought that the grandfather was handling the communication, the grandfather thought somebody esle was keeping in touch, etc. | |
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