grandsecretary

This conduct will be brought to the attention of my good friend and Brother Brandt Smith, my colleague and your Grand Secretary, today.

I will now answer your diatribe:

Firstly I have never doubted, publicly or privately, the existence of both the Grand Lodge of The United States of America, or the successor Grand Orient of The United States of America.


Official English History; Countless manuscripts and references; Masonic History, Law and Jurisprudence; Royal Charters and Acts of Parliament; and of course, we do. A brief look at our website will provide you with hundreds of references, Masonic and non-Masonic.


You should know and take account of the fact that your Grand Secretary and I are in close touch, and enjoy a friendly and cooperative relationship.

The Grand Orient of The United States of America is not half way round the world from us. They are actively engaged in France with The Grand Orient of France and we are actively engaged with The Grand Lodge of France.

These relationships are not easy to negotiate and are important for the future of both of our organisations. In fact, I will be having dinner with the Grand Secretary of your Grand Orient of France in two weeks time at the Convent of The Grand Lodge of France, whilst our Grand Master will dine with their Grand Master. Amongst other matters we will be discussing developments in The USA.

We are also both engaged in America, in our case in Ohio, Illinois, Texas and Florida with other situations developing quite rapidly.


Of course, as you well know, neither you or we do so and so this comment does not deserve a reply.


No - but formal policy statements on behalf of The Grand Orient of the USA are best left to the person who is responsible, your Grand Secretary. My concern is that all statements should be factual, clear and free from over-enthusiasm which causes misunderstanding and provides ammunition to your enemies. Please curb your filthy language. As you know I have gently admonished you on this issue previously and no doubt you are provoking in order that you can respond once again accusing me of pomposity or some such when any experienced and knowledgeable Freemason will see that you are clearly in error here.


Your question is, or course heavily prejudiced and contrary to the expressed beliefs of your Grand Orient. However, we are of course, perfectly entitled to be engaged in any free democracy and because there is a demand in the United States for pure, genuine Anglo-Saxon Freemasonry under the strict terms of the original Ancient Landmarks.


Absolutely not. My wife and children did receive a number of obscene telephone calls from Mr Gabirro when I was absent from the house on Masonic business, which proved very frightening to them. Mr Gabirro also sent out a number of counterfeit Emails claiming to be me. He disappeared from view after our report to the police authorities.

These are the answers to your questions, allegations and innuendos. I will now refer this thread to my colleague Brandt Smith so that he may take whatever action he feels is necessary.

Good day to you. There will be no more correspondence between any of you and this Grand Lodge.

grandsecretary

I have been asked by my members to pint out to you that your unworthy and ahistorical comment with regard to General Cornwallis seem hardly apposite when British soldiers are currently laying down their lives as allies in an American cause which America has shown itself incapable of carrying out on its own.

George the 3rd

And thus we see how much more enlightened, civilized and congenial the "improved" Masonry of the 21st Century is.

Quite honestly, more and more often I feel sickened and ashamed to be associated with Freemasonry, not just because of the prejudices and shortcomings of the system of which I am a member but also because of those alternative systems that claim to be so superior yet demonstrate no more respect or brotherhood than the so-called "mainstream" Grand Lodges.

Shame!

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grandsecretary

I agree absolutely with you George. A shocking, disgraceful and highly damaging episode. I am sorry that you had to witness it.

Peter

jpeffer2007

Bro. Peter,

At first I thought you were just pompous. Now I think you are down right childish. The Cornwallis reference made in good humor. If you can't see that then you need to grow some thicker skin. If you can't do that then you probably need to stop reading and posting on forums.

As for the British soliders serving in the various theatres of the War on Terror-they are doing a great job. The alliance between the US and Great Britian is a strong one and an invaluable one. No one on this forum, especially me, would down play the alliance. However, before you make comments indicating our military could not complete the mission on their own please remember a few lessons from history.

At Dunkirk the British frantically tried to move every man they could across the channel before the German's captured them. They abandoned Europe to the Nazis. It wasn't Churchill's gifted speeches that rescued Britain from Germany, it also wasn't the RAF's valiant fight against overwhelming odds, it was the United States entry into the war that saved that "imprisoned island".

Churchill, himself, said that when Germany invaded the USSR he knew the Allies wouldn't lose the war, but when the US entered the war he knew they (the Allies) would win the war.

One more point. It wasn't Monty that lead the Allies to victory, it was Ike. It wasn't the British Navy that lead the charge against the Japanese, it was Admiral Nimitz and the American Navy.

Before you question or criticize the American military remember to thank them. It isn't their fault that our elected officials exercised poor judgment in sending them to Iraq.

This post isn't meant to be a pissing contest, there is none needed. The US and Great Britian stand as the leaders, and protectors, of the free world. They are allies. As Masons, we too, should be allies, regardless of the stupid differences in jurisdiction.

In closing, you are pompous, arrogant, far too sensitive, have no sense of humor and not really interesting to correspond with, but I do respect the fact that you try to be a good Mason.

Jamie

Stealth

How quick Europe forgets...............

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My postings were my personal thoughts.

grandsecretary

I believe that you may be right in this assessment. This decision is not in my hands but we will see what my instructions are within the next 24 hours.

This is my last posting anywhere on the public part of this Forum until further notice.

Peter Clatworthy

jpeffer2007

Well, I don't really think "they" forget. I think we all forget. Americans, Britons, and the French all owe each other tremendously. Without the French we wouldn't have won our independance, without the English and Americans the French wouldn't have been liberated from the Nazis. And without the three the world would likely be enclosed by an "Iron Curtain."

Stealth

All accomplished without regularity I might add.

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My postings were my personal thoughts.

brandt

Gentlemen,
Nothing is being accomplished here. I suggest that it stops now before it gets any further out of hand.

Brandt