The Shrine - My personal take on the organization - Page 2

Jayman · 04-24-2008, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D. W. Brown

I think the shrine is a wonderful organization, I do have a little problem with some of the money issues and how much is actually used for the children but overall it is great.

I think the same could be said of most charities.

The United Way is particularly inept when it comes to administering donations and has one of the highest administartion ratios of all registered charities out there.

NY Mason · 04-24-2008, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayman

I think the same could be said of most charities.

The United Way is particularly inept when it comes to administering donations and has one of the highest administartion ratios of all registered charities out there.

I concur; the United Way, which touts itself on being a "volunteer" organization actually has a large amount of people on the payroll. The "volunteers" are people who do most of the grunt work, such as raising monies, coordinating events and so forth. I recall a scandal several years back where the CEO (or its eqivalent) allegedly used monies in a questionable way. I believe once it hit the newspapers, he resigned in disgrace.

Baldman · 05-22-2008, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D. W. Brown

Pete that is a valid point, I do think it would be better at this point to separate the two organizations. I think Freemasonry should be limited to the 3 degrees as well and not have all these add on bodies like the Scottish Rite, etc..

Out of curiosity then why do you then include 32 Degree in your postnomial?

Just thought I'd ask.

JL

D. W. Brown · 05-22-2008, 08:10 PM

Good question Baldman.

I think I shall change that now, thanks for pointing out the error of my ways in my Masonic youth.

Emeth1 · 05-23-2008, 01:26 PM

I understand your concerns there, but again rememeber it is a playground. It is not Masonry, too often this is where people are confused. It is a place for MASONS to GO to and have fun. It is not an extension of masonry. Like any fraternal organization, it is not for everyone. I fthe hazing was not for you, I can understand. Being an ex military guy, I enjoyed the hazing when I went through. But keep the perspective, it is where masons go to socialize with each other, all good men, and help kids. It is not where masons go to prcatice masonry. Do some of the groups in the various shrines go overboard, absolutely! but that is a sign of the degradation of freemasnory! Men are being brought in who shouldn't have been. The fraternity, as well as the appendant bodies, have all fallen short of their intended score cards due to the masons joining them not being up to par. But, we should no more judge the appendant body then joudge the lodges, and by the way we should also judge them no less.

Stealth · 05-23-2008, 04:40 PM

Then it should not associated itself with Free-Masonry. It should call itself the grown Frat boys Frat House.

I have seen nothing about the Shrine that emulates Free-Masonry I see nothing honorable about it. Its just a circus and that circus stole Free-Masonry from Free-Masonry.

Emeth1 · 05-23-2008, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth

Then it should not associated itself with Free-Masonry. It should call itself the grown Frat boys Frat House.

I have seen nothing about the Shrine that emulates Free-Masonry I see nothing honorable about it. Its just a circus and that circus stole Free-Masonry from Free-Masonry.

STole freemasonry.....

You cannot steal what is freely given. Masonry has allowed itself to revel in it's own arrogance, and take pride in the accomplishments of it's forefathers while neglecting their DUTY to stay relevant and carry the torch passed on to them! Do not blame the apendant bodies for the failures of our tylers and our masters. Stand up, take accountability and rectify the problem. Remember when pointing a finger, 3 are pointing back at you. In the night when you answer to your own heart ask the question, what have I done as a mason today that can be true to the TRUST given me by my forefathers? If you sit back and say, I defended our ways, then I encourage you to demit and form the masonic society for no change and becoming obsolete because that is all you have truly done.

My point is this....

It is time to quit blaming the shrine, the star, the grotto, the nile take accountability and help restore masonry to the path of enlightenment it was originally set on.

Stewart

Stealth · 05-23-2008, 05:06 PM

ALL of American Masonry is to blame for its demise. Years ago the appendant bodies were allowed to use Masonry as a lady of the evening for membership.

Further more don't judge me for my actions you have no idea what you're talking about concerning that topic.

nephast · 05-24-2008, 10:33 AM

I guess that's why it's called prerequisite

Emeth1 · 05-24-2008, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth

ALL of American Masonry is to blame for its demise. Years ago the appendant bodies were allowed to use Masonry as a lady of the evening for membership.

Further more don't judge me for my actions you have no idea what you're talking about concerning that topic.

I dont judge your actions, just your opinion of placing blame on the shrine alopne, rather than accepting that the blue lodges allowed it to happen.