Originally Posted by dean@owencpa.com

See Stealth, we disagree on this CRITICAL point, knowing the grip and words does not make a man a Mason, what makes a man a Mason is his obligation, his adherence to them, did he go through the channels that ensure proper teaching and instruction was given and required, is he proficient in work... there is a LOT more to being a Mason than knowing some words and signs and a ceremony given to the candidate, the candidate must give back, and must continue to LIVE according to his obligations........

as brutal as it seems, many here prove that the PH organization has an entirely different set of standards.... and there is an expectation a Mason will come to the table with a well researched arguement before slandering someone he wants to call Brother....

So given all that, why would ANY ONE want people who do what you have done here in thier organization??????

Looks to me like you are sore someone will not give you what you have not earned.....